Prince John, Fourth Generation

Last week featured Charles Hatton’s description of 1968 Belmont Stakes winner and champion three-year-old Stage Door Johnny from the 1969 American Racing Manual. Now let us turn our attention to his sire, Prince John, as a name in more current pedigrees, specifically in the fourth generation of all weanlings, yearlings, and two-year-olds sold at public auction in North America in 1999-2002.

Prince John appeared 4,410 times among these 54,000+ foals, ranking him 17th among these 20 sires in overall popularity.

At P1 in the fourth generation (the male line) Prince John had a Price Index of 1.56 (first among these 20 sires) and a PPI (result) of 1.28 (fifth), a regression on both counts. He had 220 foals at P1, including 13 stakes winners (5.91%), but none with 2,000+ Performance Points. Those 13 stakes winners averaged only 504 Performance Points.

Prince John is not commonly thought of as much of a male-line influence. And he generally is not, except for Meadowlake (by Hold Your Peace, by Speak John, by Prince John). Meadowlake accounts for 204 (about 93%) of those 220 foals.

At P2 in the fourth generation Prince John had a Price Index of 0.70 (11th) and a PPI (result) of 1.01 (tenth), an improvement on both scores. He had 634 foals at P2, including 22 stakes winners (3.47%), none with 2,000+ Performance Points.

At P3 in the fourth generation Prince John had a Price Index of 0.67 (19th) and a PPI (result) of 1.16 (third), an excellent improvement on both scores. He had 695 foals at P3, including 33 stakes winners (4.75%), including Premium Tap (3,469 Performance Points). Premium Tap was by Pleasant Tap (by Pleasant Colony out of Never Knock, by the aforementioned Stage Door Johnny).

At P4 in the fourth generation Prince John had a Price Index of 0.38 (17th) and a PPI (result) of 0.35 (17th), not good on either score. He had 304 foals at P4, including eight stakes winners (2.63%), none with 2,000+ Performance Points.

At P5 in the fourth generation Prince John had a Price Index of 0.93 (10th) and a PPI (result) of 1.64 (first), an excellent improvement on both scores. He had 326 foals at P5, including 14 stakes winners (4.29%), including Peace Rules (5,484). Peace Rules was by Jules out of a mare by the aforementioned Hold Your Peace. Without Peace Rules Prince John had a PPI of 0.92 at P5.

At P6 in the fourth generation Prince John had a Price Index of 0.97 (ninth) and a PPI (result) of 0.88 (12th), weak results on both scores. He had 1,023 foals at P6, including 41 stakes winners (4.01%), none with 2,000+ Performance Points. Those 41 stakes winners averaged only 513 Performance Points.

At P7 in the fourth generation Prince John had a Price Index of 1.08 (tenth) and a PPI (result) of 0.80 (16th), a poor result on both scores. He had 667 foals at P7, including 21 stakes winners (3.15%), including Badge of Silver (2,048). Badge of Silver was by Silver Deputy out of Silveroo, by Silver Hawk of out Hey Mama (by High Tribute, by Prince John).

At P8 in the fourth generation Prince John had a Price Index of 1.02 (17th) and a PPI (result) of 0.86 (15th), a mixed result. He had 541 foals at P8, including 23 stakes winners (4.25%), none with 2,000+ Performance Points. Those 23 stakes winners averaged only 469 Performance Points.

Overall, taking all eight positions into account, Prince John had a Price Index of 0.89 (20th) and a PPI (result) of 0.97 (15th), improvement on both scores but still below 1.00 (average) on both scores. He had 4,410 foals overall, including 175 stakes winners (3.97%), but those 175 stakes winners averaged only 569 Performance Points.

Prince John was pretty evenly balanced between the sexes in terms of popularity. About 43% (1,908) of these 4,410 foals involved sons of Prince John in the third generation. Those 1,908 foals had a Price Index of 0.96 and a PPI (result) of 1.13 (nice improvement). The remaining 2,502 foals involving daughters of Prince John in the third generation had a Price Index of 0.84 and a PPI (result) of 0.85 (very slight improvement).

To recapitulate, sons of Prince John in the third generation (Price Index of 0.96 and PPI of 1.13) were actually better than daughters of Prince John in the third generation (Price Index of 0.84 and PPI of 0.85). The former group was helped by Meadowlake and Peace Rules.

About the best thing you can say about Prince John is that his overall results (0.97) were better than his prices (0.89). Both numbers were below average (1.00) though, and that it not at all uncommon after four generations.

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